"If anybody wishes to advise us differently, we would love to hear from them, but, Ewart Tempest,who has made the latest blog, investigated this on our behalf last week and got the same result as we did, it is not possible."
This is an overstatement of what I did, as per below. The sum total of my efforts can best best described as understanding:
- the degrees of flexibility in IVAs.
- whether there were IVA practitioners who would be prepared to handle an IVA without demanding 10k-20k GBP up-front. This is what the IVA practitioners that Liam Collins/David Bone had so far approached were demanding ... monies they don't have.
The only visibility that C&B investors had been given of any attempt by the partners to enter IVA was the following statement in the e-mail sent to all investors by Liam Collins on 7/1/2012:
"We have been in contact with 5 different top insolvency firms and they have all said they will not take the case on to help us go into an IVA which would protect all of us from the damage of bankruptcy and thereby protecting your investment. Their reasons were all the same that they make their money by getting a percentage of the monthly repayment plan and if we cannot offer a guaranteed repayment plan monthly how can they make their cash?"
This did not strike me as a particularly rigorous or a determined attempt to enter IVA, and I personally believe an IVA style approach to be the best way to go to secure remaining value for shareholders. There appears to be more flexibility in IVAs than simply either a fixed monthly payment for 5-7 years, or one lump sum payments and that's it. Which is just as well, because the following is the situation:
- Max monthly payment would be around £0-£500 per month at the moment it would be 0. Problem with IVA is getting 75% to agree to a payment plan of £1-2 per month.
[ewart]: Note that the 75% refers to the percentage of debtors who vote, not the percentage of debtors. Given the percentage of investors who either signed, or were prepared to sign, the 5-year plan PNs, achieving this should not be an issue. There is no point in such measly monthly payments, however. Unless there is a pick-up in rental income - the only worth in these assets is in any appreciation over the duration of the IVA term.
- If interest rates move even .5% the portfolio will be cash negative.
[ewart]: all properties are mortgaged to the hilt.
- In an e-mail dated January 17th, Liam Collins stated:
"if I am allowed to find a legal way of choosing who I pay back I would pick the following order
1. Family members who never actually invested and never received an interest they simple gave us money to help us out in troubled times
2. Investors who have invested in me and David personally by way of lending us money in early 2006 and 2007
3. Investors who have invested by way of PN post CBS i.e. yourself
4. Investors who investment we lifted out of CBS
5. Other non investor creditors like suppliers"
1. Family members who never actually invested and never received an interest they simple gave us money to help us out in troubled times
2. Investors who have invested in me and David personally by way of lending us money in early 2006 and 2007
3. Investors who have invested by way of PN post CBS i.e. yourself
4. Investors who investment we lifted out of CBS
5. Other non investor creditors like suppliers"
It is highly unlikely that in an IVA, and perhaps not even in a bankruptcy, setting debtors in category (4) above could be shaken off/omitted - more than 50% of the debt that C&B now has was incurred as a result of offering 6 month PNs to ex-CBS investors (~2.3m GBP, including interest).
- C&B has 27 properties with 0 equity at present. I don't know what the average price of these assets is, let's say 150k GBP. House prices would have to increase by ~75% over the IVA timeframe for C&B to repay just the original monies (forget the interest) of their 3m GBP debt, and ~100% if you were to include the frozen interest - these kinds of increases are just not realistic over a 5-7 year timeframe. And this assumes the mortgage interest rates do not increase either, which will eat into/negate completely any profit from rent monies. So C&B are not going to be able to rely purely on an increase in asset values to cover debts ... and C&B will not be able to attract any new investor monies into the business.
[Liam response]: We have called this company a long time ago and they are great for reducing a personal bank loan payment to £1 per month but they are rubbish for dealing with the situation we have. The people trained are not qualified to deal with this situation and the complexity. I really do not see how we can ever repay anyone now. We had so many funds set up all which were capable of repaying the debt and all have now been ruined by the (Sally & Jasmine's) blog.
That has been the full extent of my IVA investigation for C&B, which is to say bugger all, pardonnez mon francais.
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