- the fact that the outstanding mortgage value on these C&B assets has increased by minimally 200k since 2008 (and this increase was measured only on 16 of the remaining 28 properties – there could very well be mortgage increases on the remaining 12 properties)
- that Novocastria Lettings has not been paying any monies to C&B in recent times for non-Loughborough based C&B assets
- Loughborough based C&B assets being managed by Rami Hariri and, with very minor exceptions, all of the properties are vacant/not being rented (see http://www.landlords-uk.org.uk/properties.asp?id=19133)
- rental income is not sufficient to pay the maintenance costs and mortgage payments, in which case the situation with C&B is totally hopeless.
and/or
- Novocastria Lettings and/or whoever is managing the Loughborough properties has been keeping monies for themselves, in which case the bankruptcy trustee will be able to claw back these monies.
[ewart]: Since you have to have the information at hand now in order to be engaging an IVA practitioner, can you send me the latest C&B propertty spreadsheet with valuations, along with an indication of when the valuations were performed and by whom. You will see from the article I have written on my blog that on the currently IFS posted C&B property spreadsheet I have little or no faith in the current valuations. This statement is based on the fare market price that 15a Moira Street was sold for versus the valuation price on the spreadhsheet - they were very different (54k vs 90k respectively)!
[Liam]: If You use Mouse price or net house prices you will see that our figures are optimistic at best .... It is in everyone’s interest to sign the IVA proposal once we send it out. If we do not achieve 75% all investments are lost.
[ewart]: I will not approve any IVA without, as a bare minimum, the following information being provided for each C&B asset:
+ The full address.
+ A proper going market value assessed for the property, not
some web tool, performed by a qualified appraiser.
+ The name of the qualified appraiser who performed the
assessment, and the date.
+ The outstanding mortgage on the property.
+ The mortgage rate being charged.
+ The rental income on the property on a month by month basis
since the property was acquired. Whether there are charging
orders on the property held by other creditors as a result of
country court actions and, if so, the value of the money owed
these creditors.
+ The full address.
+ A proper going market value assessed for the property, not
some web tool, performed by a qualified appraiser.
+ The name of the qualified appraiser who performed the
assessment, and the date.
+ The outstanding mortgage on the property.
+ The mortgage rate being charged.
+ The rental income on the property on a month by month basis
since the property was acquired. Whether there are charging
orders on the property held by other creditors as a result of
country court actions and, if so, the value of the money owed
these creditors.
The only rationale for MX selling the properties on C&B entering bankruptcy is if the rental income is not even enougth to cover the mortgage payments which, in the absence of any other date, is exactly what has been happening (read 15a Moira Street, read no monies coming in from Novocastria Lettings, read 200k increase in the mortgage value of 16 of the 29 properties between 2008 and October 2011 that I am so far aware of). If this is the case, and there is no reasonable basis for expecting rental income to cover mortgage payments within the forseeable futute, then keeping these properties on is draining more and more equity out of them, so the amount by which property prices would have to rise over the IVA term to recoup monies owed is impractical, as I suspect it already is.
[Liam]: The IVA practitioner will provide everything and based on the info provided you can make a decision. Getting RICS valuation will cost on average £300 per property so that is not possible. We can only use the sites which are reputable.
Because the C&B asset spreadsheet does not give the full address of the properties, in some cases I have not been able to identify the specific properties, but as per Liam Collin's suggestion of using http://www.mouseprice.co.uk/ estimated valuations, I have gone through the 28 properties and compiled the spreadsheet below. What this shows is that:
- there is a negative equity of 115.927k based on mouseprice value estimations in the 28 C&B assets.
- at least 77k more was paid for these properties 4-5 years ago than they are now worth based on mouseprice value estimations.
- Liam Collins has not dated the IFS posted spreadsheet, so we don't know how much worse the outstanding mortgage balances are on these properties.
- It is known that some of these properties have charging orders against them as a result of investors having county court judgements in their favour - depending on how much money these investors are owed, no monies realised from any rise in asset values from these properties will be available to other creditors.
- two of the properties I have not been able to identify specific locations for, and so the current C&B value estimations have been used which are invariably optimistic.
The Editor
Property address
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Current C&B mortgage value
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Current C&B asset value
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Charging orders
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Last sold value (last sold date)
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www.mouseprice.co.uk website valuation estimate
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56 beckford court, Manchester
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106.314k
|
100k
|
<being investigated>
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129.95k
(3/7/2007)
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125.8k
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Flat 1 25 shelton street, London
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499.324k
|
550k
|
22/12/2008 –Restriction Michele Rathbone
19/1/2010 –Final charging order by Paul James Sparks
3/8/2011 –Final charging order by Toyota Financial Services Plc
24/1/2012 –Restriction Andrew Dixon
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550k
(10/7/2007)
|
612k
|
2 abbeycroft close, Manchester
|
240k
|
265k
|
<being investigated>
|
270k
(9/10/2007)
|
268.3k
|
60 dundonald street, Preston
|
68.755k
|
100k
|
<being investigated>
|
80k
(12/10/2007)
|
72.9k
|
250 deane church, Bolton
|
94.267k
|
115k
|
<being investigated>
|
95k
(16/7/2007)
|
83.6k
|
15 dart street, Preston
|
107.483k
|
120k
|
<being investigated>
|
110k
(25/5/2007)
|
99.6k
|
206 plungington road, Preston
|
94.768k
|
115k
|
<being investigated>
|
98k
(21/5/2007)
|
89.4k
|
97 wharncliffe, Loughborough
|
181.934k
|
160k
|
<being investigated>
|
152.5k
(23/06/2006)
|
146.5k
|
113 station street, Loughborough
|
152.439k
|
140k
|
<being investigated>
|
138k
(2/1/2008)
|
125.5k
|
36 langhorn close, Newcastle-upon-tyne
|
113.046k
|
125k
|
<being investigated>
|
105k
(14/7/2007)
|
100k
|
138 paget street, Leicester
|
132.848k
|
125k
|
106k
(18/5/2006)
|
112.2k
| |
101 queens road, Loughborough
|
166.843k
|
155k
|
<being investigated>
|
123k
(14/7/2005)
|
127.5k
|
91 shelthorpe road, Leicester
|
120.049k
|
110k
|
<being investigated>
|
100k
(4/6/2004)
|
119.3k
|
30 peacock avenue, Salford
|
97.361k
|
105k
|
<being investigated>
|
85k
(24/11/2006)
|
85.7k
|
73 cobden street, Loughborough
|
126.342k
|
125k
|
<being investigated>
|
112k
(16/11/2006
|
111.2k
|
2 dronfield road, Salford
|
116.814k
|
115k
|
<being investigated>
|
90k
(21/4/2006)
|
96.9k
|
2 peacock avenue, Salford
|
110.251k
|
115k
|
<being investigated>
|
92.5k
(12/7/2006)
|
89.5k
|
151 leicester road, Loughborough, LE11 2AF
|
147.6k
|
135k
|
24/8/2005 -Nemo Personal Finance Limited
22/2/2006 -Charge in favour of Progressive Financial Services Limited
24/5/2010 -Final charging order in favour of Davenham Trust Plc
7/4/2011 -Final charging order in favour of Arkle Finance Ltd
3/6/2011 -Interim charging order in favour of Toyota Financial Services
|
143.8k
(25/6/2004)
|
143.8k
|
9 carlton close, Loughborough
|
124.423k
|
120k
|
<being investigated>
|
<unknown> assume 120k
(??/??/????)
|
117.3k
|
81 king street, Loughborough
|
127.583k
|
125k
|
7/4/2011 -Final charging order in favour of Arkle Finance Ltd
3/6/2011 -Interim charging order in favour of Toyota Financial Services
|
71k
(28/3/2003)
|
105.1k
|
66 queens road, Loughborough
|
119.149k
|
100k
|
<being investigated>
|
91k
(25/6/2004)
|
106.1k
|
27 albert street, Loughborough
|
128.160k
|
115k
|
<being investigated>
|
116k
(1/6/2005)
|
124.4k
|
4 albert street, Loughborough
|
121.213k
|
115k
|
<being investigated>
|
115k
(28/4/2006)
|
113.8k
|
Flat 3 court B, Rose Cottage B, Nottingham Rd., Loughborough
|
77.508k
|
85k
|
<being investigated>
|
<unknown>
assume 85k
(??/??/????)
|
<unknown>
assume 85k
|
36 holderness road, location ?
|
77.906k
|
85k
|
<being investigated>
|
<unknown>
assume 85k
(??/??/????)
|
<unknown>
assume 85k
|
11 queen street, Salford
|
107.558k
|
110k
|
<being investigated>
|
95k
(29/6/2007)
|
89.8k
|
41 albert road, Preston
|
82.389k
|
110k
|
<being investigated>
|
94k
(24/8/2007)
|
84.7k
|
24 carnarvon, Preston
|
95.5k
|
105k
|
<being investigated>
|
110k
(6/2/2008)
|
101k
|
Total: 3.737827m
(which means a negative equity of 111.927k based on mouseprice value estimations)
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Total: 3.845m
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Total: 3.55775 (68k more was paid for these properties than the mouseprice value estimations)
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Total: 3.6259m
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I have a charge against 138 Paget Street. as ordered by District Judge Taylor at Central London County Court 24 May 2011, £14159.26 including costs awarded together with any further interest becoming due, claim number 9QT48442. From your figures it looks as though that doesn't achieve anything meaningful for me.
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